1958 Plymouth Fury CHRISTINE!!!

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Re: 1958 Plymouth Fury CHRISTINE!!!

Post by Bloodhound1958 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:48 pm

Thanks Pete! Most appreciated! :)
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Post by petegee77 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:22 am

You're most welcome Arnie ....errr I mean Wayne. lol
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Post by battmann » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:18 pm

HOLY SHIT - this bad boy runs!!!
Congrats man. So happy for you.

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Post by petegee77 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:40 pm

Any realistic time frame as to when you'll have it actually on the road Wayne ?
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Re: 1958 Plymouth Fury CHRISTINE!!!

Post by Bloodhound1958 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:09 am

Thanks Guys! Glad you approve. :)

At this point Pete I'm not setting anymore deadlines. My hope is to have Dave come next spring to assist in wrapping up the disc brake conversion and I will continue putting on the trim from there. The interior is going to be very expensive and I need to save my pennies before I can get it done. If I can make the cruise for cats show next year I'll be very happy. :)
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Post by Bloodhound1958 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:21 pm

After waiting several weeks I got the call that the Oval Air cleaners were finished and fully restored. Took my breath away when I got home and put them on. I just had to see what it looked like! LOL Nothing beats original OEM parts brought back to better than new condition. ;) I had no intentions of putting the stickers on since assembly line Christine did't have them. What do you think?
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Post by twomanymontes » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:15 pm

Those look awesome Wayne!! Can't wait till Thursday so I see them in person
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Post by petegee77 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:39 am

Dave's right. They DO look awesome Wayne.
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Post by Bloodhound1958 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:49 pm

Thanks Dave & Pete!

I was fortunate to have Dave swing by and check out a few things. There's nothing like having a seasoned professional mechanic look things over. Dave was quick to point out some things that needed addressing beyond his buttoning up of the transmission coolant lines. I'm very appreciative of his willingness to help and push Christine to the next level. Unfortunately it was just to damn cold to do anything today so unless it warms up (which I doubt) it looks like I'm done until spring. I did finish restoring the washer bag brackets though and wasted no time hanging the bag. Everything I add gets her one step closer to being finished and gives me a tremendous sense of accomplishment and satisfaction. These are the things one dreams about during the restoration process. All in all I made my goal of firing her up this year so hopefully she'll be ready to roll next year. :)
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Post by twomanymontes » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:35 pm

The car is looking awesome! And sounds great
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Post by Bloodhound1958 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:11 am

Even though it's only February I'm chompin at the bit to get going on the car. I ordered a remanufactured PS gear box because I'm having issues with mine that go beyond a quick fix. The "Plan" is to switch it out once the weather gets warm enough and then kidnap Dave to change out the rear leafs (one is sagging), complete the rear disc brake conversion, bleed the brakes and continue putting on the trim in the process. Once she's "presentable" she'll be going for an alignment (Maybe Dave's Shop) and road testing. I can't swing the interior because it's just to much money so if anyone has a mexican blanket laying around let me know! :)
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Post by twomanymontes » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:20 pm

I'll try my best to get over there Wayne, But Spring is when I get buried with my own stuff.

On that note, I can't wait to tackle some more issues on the car!
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Post by Bloodhound1958 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:44 pm

Thanks Dave! You know me... I'm all about working around your schedule. Plus, I need to have you explain what you did with the exhaust manifolds we talked about. The coating on mine failed miserably.
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Post by Bloodhound1958 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:19 am

Pretty low right now folks... Sadly, there's been a major setback in the saga to build this beast. I encountered a catastrophic engine failure this past week. Long story short, I fired up Christine for the first time this year and after warming up I revved the engine and blew a freeze plug out of the driver side of the block. The crankcase is full of coolant which means that I've blown one or both head gaskets at the very least. It's taken me several days to calm down and I am hoping that the block is OK and that it can be salvaged and this issue corrected. If not, this may be the point where this build comes to an end...

I can go on and on and try to guess what happened and what the extent of the damage is. Cracked or warped heads blah blah blah... The only way to find out where I stand is to pull the motor and take it to my machine shop. They are more than willing to do right by me and work with me to figure this out. They've asked for the engine 100% complete so they can pressure test it and go over it with a fine tooth comb. It's going to suck for sure as I have to essentially remove the hood, fenders, rad support, heater core cover etc. I'll be pulling the engine and trans out together. From there I'll separate them and take the engine in.

I'm just going to hold out hope that the cause can be identified, corrected and put behind us.

A guy on FB had an incredibly detailed idea as to what happened and it makes perfect sense. Here's what he had to say...

"Paul Vanderheijden wrote "Higher than normal compression motor I presume. Nothing wrong with that. At the time it was fired, the petrol tank was full of 98 or 99 octane fresh fuel. Now the car was garaged and come spring, the engine was fired. PROBLEM!!!!
Your 98 octane fuel after sitting for 5-6 months is now probably about 85 octane, after all of the high value hydrocarbons has evaporated into thin air. Engine simply detonated on bad fuel, and blew a head gasket. Take off the head, check it for flatness, clean head and block, reassemble with new head gasket. Oh, and drain the fuel tank and put in fresh fuel.You are certainly not alone in making this mistake."
"take the head off. Take a photo of the head gasket preferably in a reasonable state. What you will likely see is the fire ring on the head gasket pushed out in a peak to the nearest water jacket passage. Under normal operating pressures, at peak combustion pressure, the cylinder pressure will be around 1300-1500 PSI. Under detonation conditions, this can rise to as high as 4000 PSI. No head gasket known to man will withstand this type of pressure for long. If it does then very shortly thereafter, because of the increased heat generation associated with detonation, the temperature of the aluminum pistons will exceed there elastic limit and turn plastic in nature. Piston failure will then result.
Fuel stabilizer is only good for keeping deposits from forming in the fuel (and then only marginally successful. Because the tank is "ventilated", lighter hydrocarbons included in the fuel mix will evaporate over time. The principle one, in case of road fuel, will be Toluene. I would suggest that you go to the paint store and purchase 2-3 litres of toluene (available as paint thinner/brush cleaner for synthetic paints). Simply drain some fuel off the tank in a container, mix in the Toluene, and pour back in the tank."In the of detonation we are talking about 10-30 times the normal water system pressure. Such am extreme pressure increase wouls be more than sufficient to pop out a fteeze plug."

So in essence, piston detonation makes the most sense but I won't know for sure until the machine shop diagnoses the issue. I suspect it was a combination of bad fuel, advanced timing and a possible lean condition that caused this. Hoping for a miracle...

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Post by twomanymontes » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:45 pm

Damn Wayne! You just can't catch a break

Well, like I said, start tearing the body apart and call me. I'll help tear the motor out
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Re: 1958 Plymouth Fury CHRISTINE!!!

Post by battmann » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:12 am

That’s awful! Sorry Wayne.
Keeping my fingers crossed that the block & heads aren’t damaged.

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Post by Bloodhound1958 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:48 pm

Thanks guys. Sucks... I was planning on tearing things down this weekend with the predicted 60 degree weather. Course that plan went to hell pretty quick with this cold. :lol:
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Re: 1958 Plymouth Fury CHRISTINE!!!

Post by Bloodhound1958 » Fri May 04, 2018 6:16 am

I'm going to take this "opportunity" to make a few needed changes. Had anyone had any luck with electric cooling fans? There's very little clearance for my radiator fan and I have no doubt it's going to be a problem down the road. Does an electric fan have to have a shroud? Is it ok if it doesn't cover the entire surface of the radiator? How about wiring it? Can you still connect a regular temp gauge to the sending unit that comes with the fan? Decisions... decisions...
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Post by battmann » Thu May 10, 2018 6:33 am

I think for best cooling the fan needs to have a shroud that covers the whole back of the radiator. I’m pretty sure Summit sells a thin universal shroud that you can probably paint black or red to match the car.
Any news on the extent of the engine damage yet?

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Post by Bloodhound1958 » Fri May 11, 2018 6:31 am

Not yet Clint. I'm hoping to get the motor pulled today or tomorrow. Dave was kind enough to offer his help so I feel a bit more confident that we can get the job done. Gonna try tonight.

As for the fan I tend to agree with you on the shroud. I may try it without one first and see how that works. Just hate getting ahead of myself in that we haven't even diagnosed the engine problem. That's gonna be the deciding factor for all I suppose.
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